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	<title>Comments on: Tim Ferriss &amp; A New Era Of Astro-turfing?</title>
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		<title>By: Charleen Larson</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/social-media/social-media-marketing-vs-astro-turfing/#comment-101123</link>
		<dc:creator>Charleen Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 18:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brand loyalty is a convenience.  It eliminates friction points and saves us work.

Once I choose XYZ Services for all my lawn, garden and landscaping needs, that eliminates a whole class of future decisions I might have had to make.  XYZ needs only do an acceptable job to retain my business.  They can even raise their prices (within reason).  Point out to me that XYZ is paying outsourcers to post fake 5 star reviews on Yelp and odds are I&#039;ll still stick with them....because everybody posts fake 5 star reviews on Yelp.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brand loyalty is a convenience.  It eliminates friction points and saves us work.</p>
<p>Once I choose XYZ Services for all my lawn, garden and landscaping needs, that eliminates a whole class of future decisions I might have had to make.  XYZ needs only do an acceptable job to retain my business.  They can even raise their prices (within reason).  Point out to me that XYZ is paying outsourcers to post fake 5 star reviews on Yelp and odds are I&#8217;ll still stick with them&#8230;.because everybody posts fake 5 star reviews on Yelp.</p>
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		<title>By: Val @ Web Tracking Guide</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/social-media/social-media-marketing-vs-astro-turfing/#comment-19469</link>
		<dc:creator>Val @ Web Tracking Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The line is always blurry and subjective. On one hand you have purists who despise and reject any advertising, basically arguing that a good product should sell itself. On the other hand, you have shameless con artists who are willing to cheat in every possible way to get every dollar they can. There are many shades and colors in between, and it&#039;s always up to you as a consumer or a business owner to set your own standards.

Regarding Tim and my personal opinion, I believe the guy is good and smart. Pleasing your customers should be the central part of any business, as well as making profits, so I can&#039;t see anything wrong with encouraging bulk orders using prizes. And asking your customers for reviews, even if Tim did that explicitly, is also perfectly ethical in my book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The line is always blurry and subjective. On one hand you have purists who despise and reject any advertising, basically arguing that a good product should sell itself. On the other hand, you have shameless con artists who are willing to cheat in every possible way to get every dollar they can. There are many shades and colors in between, and it&#8217;s always up to you as a consumer or a business owner to set your own standards.</p>
<p>Regarding Tim and my personal opinion, I believe the guy is good and smart. Pleasing your customers should be the central part of any business, as well as making profits, so I can&#8217;t see anything wrong with encouraging bulk orders using prizes. And asking your customers for reviews, even if Tim did that explicitly, is also perfectly ethical in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Hoehn</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/social-media/social-media-marketing-vs-astro-turfing/#comment-19296</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Hoehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James- You wrote: 

&quot;what concerns me most are the number of people that purchased multiple copies of books and aren’t receiving anything that was promised to them.&quot;

It&#039;s true that some people had parts of their orders held up, due to a number of factors (B&amp;N selling more signed copies than they had in inventory, international orders getting delayed, etc.)  But to say they haven&#039;t received anything that was promised is simply not true.  We are making sure everyone&#039;s order is carried out.  The reality is that the vast majority of people who took part in the promo have received all of their gifts.  Anyone who hasn&#039;t is being taken care of.

If you haven&#039;t received something that you ordered, feel free to contact me (charlie AT fourhourbody).  I&#039;m more than happy to help you out.

- Charlie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James- You wrote: </p>
<p>&#8220;what concerns me most are the number of people that purchased multiple copies of books and aren’t receiving anything that was promised to them.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that some people had parts of their orders held up, due to a number of factors (B&amp;N selling more signed copies than they had in inventory, international orders getting delayed, etc.)  But to say they haven&#8217;t received anything that was promised is simply not true.  We are making sure everyone&#8217;s order is carried out.  The reality is that the vast majority of people who took part in the promo have received all of their gifts.  Anyone who hasn&#8217;t is being taken care of.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t received something that you ordered, feel free to contact me (charlie AT fourhourbody).  I&#8217;m more than happy to help you out.</p>
<p>- Charlie</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Hoehn</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/social-media/social-media-marketing-vs-astro-turfing/#comment-19295</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Hoehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Lisa and Melissa,

I worked with Tim throughout the entire promotion.  We took down that page because we&#039;re still getting emails and comments from people wanting bonus gifts, even though they purchased books weeks after the promo&#039;s deadline.  We tried putting &quot;This promotion has ended&quot; in big bold letters throughout the written portion -- didn&#039;t work.  I had to put together all the slideshares in that post, so it pains no one more than me to see it taken down :)  But we did have a reason behind it.  

- Charlie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lisa and Melissa,</p>
<p>I worked with Tim throughout the entire promotion.  We took down that page because we&#8217;re still getting emails and comments from people wanting bonus gifts, even though they purchased books weeks after the promo&#8217;s deadline.  We tried putting &#8220;This promotion has ended&#8221; in big bold letters throughout the written portion &#8212; didn&#8217;t work.  I had to put together all the slideshares in that post, so it pains no one more than me to see it taken down :)  But we did have a reason behind it.  </p>
<p>- Charlie</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Feiman</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/social-media/social-media-marketing-vs-astro-turfing/#comment-19290</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Feiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the reasons that astroturfing has become so en vogue is that the nature of the web pushes marketers to take these actions.  Back in the mid-90s (when I started working in the dotcom world), everyone online was all about helping each other out.  Nowadays if you want a review, a link, whatever, it&#039;s all about &quot;what&#039;s in it for me?&quot;.  As a result, people take less than honorable approaches to build buzz for their products or websites.

My favorite example of this is Digg.  Writing a good/interesting article does not matter if you want it to show up on Digg.  What matters is finding the all powerful &quot;superusers&quot;.  I&#039;ve had more than one SEO firm tell me that for the low, low cost of $10k per month, they will make sure that among other things, our articles are on the front page of Digg on a regular basis.  When I asked how, the response was &quot;I have an arrangement with some superusers&quot;.

The web community has created this environment, so it should never come as a surprise when companies provide &quot;incentives&quot; to people to write positive reviews, give links, etc.

Meh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons that astroturfing has become so en vogue is that the nature of the web pushes marketers to take these actions.  Back in the mid-90s (when I started working in the dotcom world), everyone online was all about helping each other out.  Nowadays if you want a review, a link, whatever, it&#8217;s all about &#8220;what&#8217;s in it for me?&#8221;.  As a result, people take less than honorable approaches to build buzz for their products or websites.</p>
<p>My favorite example of this is Digg.  Writing a good/interesting article does not matter if you want it to show up on Digg.  What matters is finding the all powerful &#8220;superusers&#8221;.  I&#8217;ve had more than one SEO firm tell me that for the low, low cost of $10k per month, they will make sure that among other things, our articles are on the front page of Digg on a regular basis.  When I asked how, the response was &#8220;I have an arrangement with some superusers&#8221;.</p>
<p>The web community has created this environment, so it should never come as a surprise when companies provide &#8220;incentives&#8221; to people to write positive reviews, give links, etc.</p>
<p>Meh.</p>
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		<title>By: john Falchetto</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/social-media/social-media-marketing-vs-astro-turfing/#comment-19289</link>
		<dc:creator>john Falchetto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;q&gt;

I was wondering in which category  you would put Ferris&#039;s marketing effort?]]></description>
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<p>I was wondering in which category  you would put Ferris&#8217;s marketing effort?</q></p>
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		<title>By: Eryck Dzotsi</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/social-media/social-media-marketing-vs-astro-turfing/#comment-19287</link>
		<dc:creator>Eryck Dzotsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is fair game as long as it is clean. If it guest posting adds value to the user and the person reading (the user) does not walk away with a feeling of having been fed cow dung. 

Asking is fair depending on the incentive. Putting a in a book &quot;if you like this book, don&#039;t forget to rate it&quot; is just a perfectly fine and juicy way of letting people know how to tell others what they have appreciated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is fair game as long as it is clean. If it guest posting adds value to the user and the person reading (the user) does not walk away with a feeling of having been fed cow dung. </p>
<p>Asking is fair depending on the incentive. Putting a in a book &#8220;if you like this book, don&#8217;t forget to rate it&#8221; is just a perfectly fine and juicy way of letting people know how to tell others what they have appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Barone</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/social-media/social-media-marketing-vs-astro-turfing/#comment-19286</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Barone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I was a bit skeptical of the million dollar give-aways, but what concerns me most are the number of people that purchased multiple copies of books and aren’t receiving anything that was promised to them. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Have there been reports of that happening?

Tim is certainly a superior marketer and knows how to sway people toward a specific action. You can&#039;t fault him for that.  Sometimes I get wary, though, of where all this is going.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I was a bit skeptical of the million dollar give-aways, but what concerns me most are the number of people that purchased multiple copies of books and aren’t receiving anything that was promised to them. </p></blockquote>
<p>Have there been reports of that happening?</p>
<p>Tim is certainly a superior marketer and knows how to sway people toward a specific action. You can&#8217;t fault him for that.  Sometimes I get wary, though, of where all this is going.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Barone</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/social-media/social-media-marketing-vs-astro-turfing/#comment-19285</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Barone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Sheldon,  again we find ourselves going back to the idea of &quot;intention&quot;.  Are you launching something with the intent to deceive people or with the intent to spread something good? Maybe it all really does come down to that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sheldon,  again we find ourselves going back to the idea of &#8220;intention&#8221;.  Are you launching something with the intent to deceive people or with the intent to spread something good? Maybe it all really does come down to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Barone</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/social-media/social-media-marketing-vs-astro-turfing/#comment-19284</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Barone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot of people would argue that keeping your toe on the line is a good place to be. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people would argue that keeping your toe on the line is a good place to be. :)</p>
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