Then I saw Foursquare… Now I’m a believer

by Rae Hoffman on 04/13/2010 · 37 comments | Social Media

Belief in Four Square

I’m not a person who likes new technology (I seriously had an iPod for over a year before I learned how to use it.) When Twitter first came out, Marc had to bug me for months to get an account.

So, when I started seeing Foursquare updates in my twitter stream from folks I followed, to be honest, I never even learned (or cared to learn) what the site was about. I only knew Lisa had blogged about Foursquare’s annoyances and sites noting the dangers of posting your location publicly had been getting dropped by friends into my twitter stream.

About a week ago, I was doing some vanity searching for MFE Interactive and noticed there was a page about it on Foursquare. So I started surfing the site. Now if you follow me on Twitter, then you know that I am a Tim Hortons addict and visit my local Timmys about three times a day. I checked out their listing and saw someone else was the “mayor” with only six visits (at the time.) And that simply could not be allowed to continue. I don’t care if it’s dumb and meaningless… if there is going to be a “mayor” of my local Timmys, it is damn sure going to be ME. And so, I became a Foursquare user.

Tony Adam blogged a while back about the possible monetization opportunities Foursquare has. But, I’m not looking at Foursquare from a small business owner’s perspective. I’m looking at it from a user perspective. And I admit it… I felt silly “checking in.” There’s no actual “point” to Foursquare right?

Wrong.

After only a few days of using it, I’ve found both actual value and potential value in being a FourSquare user. I know… it shocked the hell out of me too.

Actual value

Yesterday Dawn and I headed to Dallas for PubCon South. Since I am super organized and booked our plane tickets three days before we actually needed to get to Dallas, our trip involved three legs… Toronto to Cincinnati, Cincinnati to Orlando and then finally Orlando to Dallas.

Upon landing in Orlando, we checked into the Orlando airport on Foursquare and both of us were a little surprised to see how much activity there was. There have been over 4000 check ins at that location and there were a ton of “tips” left on the venue page. Once we got off the plane, we realized we had to change terminals and that meant going through security again. The line was atrociously long and filled with tourists and neither Dawn nor myself was looking forward to getting through the line. I went outside for a quick smoke and started reading the tips folks had left…

“Nicole L. did this…
Look for the “expert travelers” security line. It will save you a ton of time.”

“Janell H. did this…
Ditto on the ‘expert’ security lane. No waiting/stopping at all for me; 45 min for tourons!”

“Jen J. did this…
Look for the “expert” line in security… a little hidden from the normal lines. Will get through really fast.”

I went back inside, grabbed Dawn and told her what the tips had said. Sure enough, it was a little hidden and off to the side, but we found the expert security lane and were through security in less than ten minutes. We looked back at the regular security lines and saw that the folks that were at the end of the main security lines when we entered had barely moved as we moved on to our gate.

Foursquare users had given us the inside track to their local airport and saved us a ton of time and aggravation. I wouldn’t look up “reviews” on an airport. Who would? But “checking in” to one put the knowledge of the locals right at our fingertips.

Someone who “checks in” at the Doubletree Dallas/Richardson hotel will be able to easily find out that there is a great pool hall and pub across the street with good food that actually allows smoking inside. They may not have been looking for one… I know I wasn’t… but had I seen the review I left before stumbling across it, I’d have made a beeline for the place.

I can currently see that Joe Morin is at the Renaissance Dallas/Richardson hotel. If I click on his profile I have the ability to email, text, Twitter, Facebook or call him to see if he wants to meet up. Granted, I have Joe in my phone’s address book, but Foursquare not only let’s me know he’s local to me at the moment, it also doesn’t make me exit the app to contact him.

Folks who “check in” at one of my local pool halls will be able to quickly assess that pool is free on Sunday nights with a low minimum tab. It took me about twenty visits before I noticed the small sign on the pub wall.

I think this is what folks had in mind when they created sites/apps like Foursquare. Sure, “local type” sites have reviews and the like, but there is an added desire to help build the value with Foursquare because you’re involved in each venue when you “check in” and there is social capital.

Potential value and improvements

While I currently find Foursquare useful, there are a lot of additions that I think could heavily increase the value.

  1. Allowing “check outs” – When I check in at my local Timmys, I’m only there for about ten minutes. But if I don’t check into another venue, it will show my current location to be Tim Hortons until I do. So, if a friend of mine looks at my status, it looks as if I’m still there. If they went to meet up with me, they’d be sadly disappointed. Allowing me to “check out” would show that I’ve been there and gone, even though I didn’t “check in” to another location because I simply went home.
  2. Searching by tags – At the moment, when I do a search on my Foursquare app, I can only search for business names. If I’m traveling I likely don’t know them and would rather simply be able to search for “pool tables” or “mall.” Currently, if the search term doesn’t appear in the business name, I’m out of luck. The Fox and the Hound won’t show up for “pool tables” and the Galleria Dallas won’t show up for “mall.”
  3. Expanding search result lists – When you currently do a “check in” on Foursquare it searches for nearby locations but will only show you ten results. This frequently results in you having to click “not in list” and type the venue name in yourself. It creates an added step that could be avoided by listing more results per search.
  4. Incorporate ratings – When I do a search for a venue, it would be awesome if Foursquare took a cue from local search sites and allowed users to leave ratings and display the aggregated rating number next to venue names. Tips are awesome, but you have to view every venue to see them. Having a rating allows me to see at a glance that there *are* ratings and that I may want to click through to read them. Even saying “nine tips” would be helpful to see at a glance even without actual ratings.
  5. The ability to rank tips – When a venue has a ton of tips, it can be a lot to get through. Giving users the ability to rank the usefulness of tips would allow the best tips to float to the top.
  6. Create clear use suggestions to small business owners – Let’s face it. Small business owners most times are a bit behind in how to make use of the social web. It would be awesome if Foursquare created a “small business owners guide” that showed businesses how they can take advantage of Foursquare, which in turn makes things more fun and more valuable for the users. Suggesting one “free coffee” for the mayor of your coffee shop every Friday has the potential to bring them more business and bring the user (aka their customers) more value. I know Foursquare sees the value their app has to potential business owners. They simply need to be better at educating them about it.

It should be interesting to watch Foursquare evolve. For now, I’m a believer.

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Rae Hoffman

Rae Hoffman is the CEO and Co-Founder of Outspoken Media as well as the author of the often controversial Sugarrae Blog.

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{ 37 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Streko 04/13/2010 at 2:23 PM

@streko just became the mayor of the outspoken media blog.

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2 Lisa Barone 04/13/2010 at 2:48 PM

That’s nice. Too bad you can’t pass the grammar test to post on it.

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3 Dawn Wentzell 04/13/2010 at 2:27 PM

I love that you are more concerned about being the mayor of Timmy’s than of your own office :)

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4 Lisa Barone 04/13/2010 at 2:47 PM

[bites lip so hard it bleeds]

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5 Rae Hoffman 04/13/2010 at 3:01 PM

both of you can bite me :)

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6 netmeg 04/13/2010 at 2:35 PM

Dammit Rae, after all my anti-4SQ ranting, if you show me actual value and make me recant, I will never forgive you. Never.

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7 Rae Hoffman 04/13/2010 at 3:01 PM

you love me :)

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8 mapsgirl 04/13/2010 at 2:42 PM

If you want to see the deals on Foursquare, check out @SnackSquare

http://blog.gisuser.com/?p=6604 (via @gletham )

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9 TheMadHat 04/13/2010 at 2:50 PM

Holy Christ on a stick. Dammit. I just became the mayor still hate 4-square. Maybe maybe if they implement checkouts, then I can start annoying myself.

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10 Lisa Barone 04/13/2010 at 2:50 PM

Imagine if they started allowing checkouts and then you had to watch people check IN and OUT all day long on Twitter? I’d cut myself.

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11 Rae Hoffman 04/13/2010 at 3:02 PM

then bitch at those you follow… I didn’t set it to update my whereabouts to twitter, so it doesn’t…

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12 Lisa Barone 04/13/2010 at 3:12 PM

I do bitch at them. You must not follow me very closely on Twitter. :p

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13 Nick Nerbonne 04/13/2010 at 3:00 PM

Informative post, Rae. We’ve been looking into to how to capitalize on the growth of location-based services and the opportunities are virtually limitless. We’re looking forward to doing more.

Your recommendations for improvement are spot on. However, from the ‘user-based perspective,’ I have one *very strong* suggestion that I didn’t see on your list: require an opt-in for updates. Currently, the user checks or unchecks a box which enables Twitter updates for every check-in. In a given day I might get several hundred check-ins from across the country (globe) sprinkled throughout my Twitter stream.

Personally, I don’t need these. Sure it’s great that ‘Susie’ is now the mayor of Jim’s Dry Cleaning in Omaha, but frankly I’m not interested (no offense, Omaha). Now if I knew Susie and had opted in to her updates, they would be relevant. As services like Foursquare and Gowalla continue to grow, check-ins will become even more dominant in my Twitter stream. I’ve already unfollowed several users due to frequent check-ins.

While I’m thrilled that our company name appears in the Twitter streams of those who follow Foursquare users who check in at our business, I worry that we may soon reach a point where check-ins become more of a nuisance than a benefit to most Twitter users.

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14 Harry Scanlan 04/13/2010 at 3:01 PM

And you all thought i was full of s**t!

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15 Lisa Barone 04/13/2010 at 3:12 PM

Well, to be fair, you typically are.

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16 Sully 04/13/2010 at 3:02 PM

Rae – You’ve seen the light.

I live in Manchester, NH, which has a pretty low density of Foursquare users, but I’m seeing the usage start to pick-up quite a bit. Wait until someone ousts you as a mayor, you’ll want to kick their shins.

My VP of Marketing recently sat down with Dennis Crowley, Foursquare’s Co-Founder, and he mentioned that they are adding analytics tools for business owners. Once that happens, I think we’ll see the adoption rate reach Twitter-like velocity.

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17 john andrews 04/13/2010 at 3:04 PM

Thanks for that… not so easy to find real reports like this these days.

What I wonder now is… what will happen when someone starts competing with Rae for the Mayor spot at that local Tim Hortons? How far will it go? I mean, this could get really entertaining, no? Like RealityTV entertaining… The Battles of FourSquare, Ontaro Edition.

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18 john andrews 04/13/2010 at 3:06 PM
19 Rhea Drysdale 04/13/2010 at 4:29 PM

I like that the business pages rank pretty darn well. They could certainly make some changes for better optimization of those business listings, but it’s enough to demonstrate ORM value.

Perhaps more fascinating is that they’re using a Google docs spreadsheet for the business promotions form. Heh, that’s the first time I’ve seen GD used in a public/service type setting.

Anyways, I hope they beef up the venue profiles and to Rae’s point make them more review-like. Also, would be nice to add some advanced account management features like bulk venue additions, the ability for owners to bulk claim/edit venues, standardization of tags and some meatier stats.

Really glad Rae wrote this and demonstrated some value. I’ll never sync my Foursquare/Twitter accounts, but worth looking into professionally.

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20 Michael D 04/13/2010 at 3:39 PM

You show an example of its value by posting this. I’m reading the blog from the hotel in Dallas and was able to check and see which PubCon attendees have already checked in. Easier than following a twitter stream to see who is doing what.

IMO, more using the service the better, until it reaches that point where everything is noise, then it’s time to move onto something else.

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21 Kristin 04/13/2010 at 4:03 PM

Another thing that is nice to see evolving is some local businesses offering discounts to those who are their “mayor” it sounds kind of silly but i’ll use an app for 15% off my coffee!! :)

Great post!

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22 finn at golden tech 04/13/2010 at 4:18 PM

For starters, why are you showing a picture of Abbey Rd. (famous BEATLES studio and my favorite album ever) then quoting a song in the alt text and title by the MONKEES? (coincidentally – Neil Diamond wrote the song). Not that I was alive when any of those songs came out, but I have to call you out mixing your Beatles and Monkees. It’s like sipping Johnnie Walker Blue while having a TV dinner – they don’t mix.

AND Kristin wrestled mayorship of Golden Tech from me. That irks me. And yeah, someone having ownership of our office that wasn’t us was how I began to use FourSquare (sparingly).

Since then I took over the mayorship of PassTimes! And I’m the mayor of most of Staunton, IL (long story). Just to make friends mad.

Other than that, FourSqure is like the old schoolyard game – lame. But yet it gets me competitive.

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23 Lisa Barone 04/13/2010 at 4:34 PM

I love you and this entire comment. That is all.

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24 finn at golden tech 04/13/2010 at 4:42 PM

awww.

dittos and muchos

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25 Rae Hoffman 04/14/2010 at 10:55 AM

Sure did mix em up, was in a rush, am not a severe fan of either band, am not old and the editor in chief of this blog apparently didn’t seem to notice…

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26 finn at golden tech 04/14/2010 at 12:23 PM

Then I wholeheartedly recommend you and the blog editor-in-chief take a listen to Abbey Road from beginning to end, many, many times.

Many, many times.

It’ll help with the severity.

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27 Lisa Barone 04/14/2010 at 1:13 PM

A. You published this without me reading it
B. I wouldn’t know a cultural reference if it bit me in the ass.

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28 Streko 04/13/2010 at 4:36 PM

@streko just unlocked the “awesome badge” for making comment number 23.

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29 Ken Jones 04/13/2010 at 5:35 PM

I’ve recently succumbed to the temptation to try Foursquare on my BB as well and I totally agree with Rae’s points about possible improvements to the way it works. On the off chance that the folks behind 4sq end up reading this (they’ve got Trackur set up for their name, right?) I’d like to add a couple of extra suggestions to the list:

- I don’t know if it’s just because where I live (Coventry, UK) has a relative scarcity of Foursquare users and confirmed locations, but when trying to check in the app tends to show venues from anywhere up to 1.5 km away and even then I often need to add my actual location manually. Maybe this is just because of the lack of venues that heve so far been added in my little corner of the world but it’d be nice if the list of venue presented was a bit more tightly focussed.

- The check-in process could also do with being streamlined to remove a few of the unneccessary extra clicks that it takes to get from starting the check-in process to finalizing your location. Even the simple addition of side by side “View Venue” and “Check-in Here” buttons on each location in the list would save you having to click through to view a location that you visit regularly before you can check-in there. Perhaps even giving you a quick link from the main page of the 4sq app to a list of “Regular Haunts” would help to speed up check-ins. I’m sure Rae will agree with me on this one when it comes to her frequent trips to Timmy’s.

- I’ll admit I haven’t done much digging into Foursquare from a business owner’s perspective yet, but I can see a real opportunity for them to add value by allowing business owners to create or claim their business’ listing (a la Google LBC) to add richer data on their venue such as photos, links to their business’ website and maybe even use this as a way to generate the tags that Rae mentioned in her suggestions, thus making their listing more useful and easily searchable and giving business owners an incentive to take the time to claim their listing.

I know that Foursquare (on the BlackBerry at least) is still in Beta so it’d be nice to think that a few of these improvements might be implemented by the time it’s ready to go to 1.0

(BTW I love that the first dozen comments on this post read like a twitter bickering sessions from the @sugarrae @LisaBarone and @streko Show – with special guests @netmeg and @TheMadHat)

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30 netmeg 04/13/2010 at 6:51 PM

Even better is that all of us bickerers are now on 4square.

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31 Heather Villa 04/13/2010 at 7:44 PM

This is a great article. I was kind of in the same boat as you. I saw a lot of people posting information on Twitter and on Facebook via foursquare. To be honest I was kind of irritated with the updates but was somewhat curious. hehe. Anyway, so I finally gave in when I saw that Blackberry now had a foursquare app. I downloaded it not knowing what to expect. I thought it was kind of pointless at first, but like you mentioned, when I would “check in” at local restaurants etc I would see posts from past visitors recommending specific items, or off the menu items. I am now somewhat addicted to this app and I totally see the benefit that small business owners could have if they use it correctly.

PS I agree that there should be a check out feature – of some sort!

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32 Chuck Reynolds 04/14/2010 at 7:25 AM

Hey Rae… ladies…
I’ve been talking about Foursquare as an up and coming player in local search for some time and after my SESNY trip I got around to posting about my talk/panel preso about Local Search Marketing using Foursquare. I’ve seen some local biz’s really turn it on and own it and it’s working very well for them so far.
Currently waiting for the biz dashboard updates from 4sq and other “monetization” surprises.

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33 Christina Keffer 04/14/2010 at 10:46 AM

Great post Rae. I will now use Foursquare as more than a means of one-upsmanship.
The whole ability to become mayor is a huge draw, and an interesting one. Of all the nebulous, meaningless, silly objectives in the world, it takes the cake…. And yet, it seems to have done a great job of activating a bunch of people (SEOs) who are incredibly competitive.
I only joined because I couldn’t let my coworker Jim be mayor of LunaMetrics. I’d love to find a way to apply this “become best” idea to other marketing strategies…

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34 Rae Hoffman 04/14/2010 at 10:56 AM

For everyone bitching about how Foursquare affects Twitter… for the record, it is an option. You can use foursquare without syncing it with your Twitter account.

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35 Nick Nerbonne 04/14/2010 at 11:10 AM

Exactly. I just wish more people opted to *not* share their check-ins with the world.

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36 Siddhartha 04/17/2010 at 7:31 PM

Rae, first time on your blog but really appreciated this post. Good, useful information. I haven’t tried Foursquare yet either, mostly for the reasons you mentioned…which, by the way, you never really addressed.

How did you overcome your reservations about telling the world where you are?

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37 dave 08/10/2010 at 7:55 AM

Ok. So there are some interesting opinions in the comments! So, if you are one of those who does like Foursquare then you might like to check out the Foursquare app I’ve just built.

My Foursquare makes it easy to show off your badges, mayorships and checkins on Facebook, WordPress and any other site via an embed code.

http://www.myfoursquare.net/

Thanks, and keep the good posts sugarrae

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