<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: SEO Training &amp; MarketingProfs University</title>
	<atom:link href="http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/seo-training-marketing-profs-university/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/seo-training-marketing-profs-university/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:32:43 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator>
<xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" />
	<item>
		<title>By: William Adams</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/seo-training-marketing-profs-university/#comment-72821</link>
		<dc:creator>William Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://outspokenmedia.com/?p=11725#comment-72821</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I own and operate a law firm and also conduct all of my own SEO for my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adams-legal.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;law-firm website&lt;/a&gt;. I can attest, after many hours of studying my competitors&#039; websites and SEO that there is a good reason SEO firms have a bad reputation. Spammy link-building strategies and keyword stuffing are their bread and butter, for which services they charge a small fortune. Frankly, I like what google is doing with the Panda update, which targets link-buying and exchanging as a chief SEO strategy, engaged in by many of my competitors who pay thousands monthly for these black-hat tactic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own and operate a law firm and also conduct all of my own SEO for my <a href="http://www.adams-legal.com" rel="nofollow">law-firm website</a>. I can attest, after many hours of studying my competitors&#8217; websites and SEO that there is a good reason SEO firms have a bad reputation. Spammy link-building strategies and keyword stuffing are their bread and butter, for which services they charge a small fortune. Frankly, I like what google is doing with the Panda update, which targets link-buying and exchanging as a chief SEO strategy, engaged in by many of my competitors who pay thousands monthly for these black-hat tactic.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mike Feiman</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/seo-training-marketing-profs-university/#comment-27762</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Feiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://outspokenmedia.com/?p=11725#comment-27762</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Rhea, first off, I don&#039;t agree that all Internet Marketing professionals are seen as used car salesmen.  Typically, the hate gets thrown toward the SEO world.  

As to why, the reason for the hate is really quite simple.  There is no transparency in SEO.  As a result people see SEOs as either a) hucksters shilling a magical elixir that is actually nothing more than piss with ink or b) black hats doing their voodoo which consists of things you would never allow if you knew what they were doing.  All too often, there&#039;s no effort to teach clients and make the process collaborative.  Instead, the process is one where the SEO asks for access to your code, builds links without telling you the who/what/where,  and says &quot;give it a few months and you&#039;ll be on page 1 for xyz search term&quot;.  

As someone who runs a business that gets called on at least 3x per week by the people from Group A, I can tell you that I would never hire an SEO firm without getting referrals from trusted friends and associates (even though I know there are plenty of legit SEOs out there).  I&#039;ve talked to far more professionals and small business owners who have been rooked than those who have received SEO services that were beneficial.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhea, first off, I don&#8217;t agree that all Internet Marketing professionals are seen as used car salesmen.  Typically, the hate gets thrown toward the SEO world.  </p>
<p>As to why, the reason for the hate is really quite simple.  There is no transparency in SEO.  As a result people see SEOs as either a) hucksters shilling a magical elixir that is actually nothing more than piss with ink or b) black hats doing their voodoo which consists of things you would never allow if you knew what they were doing.  All too often, there&#8217;s no effort to teach clients and make the process collaborative.  Instead, the process is one where the SEO asks for access to your code, builds links without telling you the who/what/where,  and says &#8220;give it a few months and you&#8217;ll be on page 1 for xyz search term&#8221;.  </p>
<p>As someone who runs a business that gets called on at least 3x per week by the people from Group A, I can tell you that I would never hire an SEO firm without getting referrals from trusted friends and associates (even though I know there are plenty of legit SEOs out there).  I&#8217;ve talked to far more professionals and small business owners who have been rooked than those who have received SEO services that were beneficial.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Miranda</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/seo-training-marketing-profs-university/#comment-27712</link>
		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://outspokenmedia.com/?p=11725#comment-27712</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Easy, tigers.  Seriously... you come here to get her advice and suck in what knowledge you can, but you&#039;re not willing to pay for that extra bit that absolutely no marketer gives away for free?  

Education is absolutely key, Rhea is right, and I learned the hard way 2 years into an e-commerce degree that traditional universities can&#039;t keep up with the pace and everything I was learning would be outdated by the time I got that piece of paper.  

I get to as many events as I can and am literally a leech to my environment, but you can&#039;t expect that reading blogs and listening to free webinars is all it takes to stay at the front of the pack.  Pssst... those people are selling stuff, too.  Why should anyone worth their salt give every Tom, Dick &amp; Harry a free ride by sharing their years of experience and case studies for nothing?

If you don&#039;t want to participate... okay, then.  But railing on Rhea for participating in TEACHING is more than a little ridiculous.  Of course she&#039;s getting paid!  She&#039;s a skilled professional.  How many SEOs and marketing pros never share their knowledge for fear someone will take it and steal away their business?  You should be applauding her for having the courage and foresight to participate in these events, which open doors for those of us not living in NYC or Silicon Valley.

/rant]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy, tigers.  Seriously&#8230; you come here to get her advice and suck in what knowledge you can, but you&#8217;re not willing to pay for that extra bit that absolutely no marketer gives away for free?  </p>
<p>Education is absolutely key, Rhea is right, and I learned the hard way 2 years into an e-commerce degree that traditional universities can&#8217;t keep up with the pace and everything I was learning would be outdated by the time I got that piece of paper.  </p>
<p>I get to as many events as I can and am literally a leech to my environment, but you can&#8217;t expect that reading blogs and listening to free webinars is all it takes to stay at the front of the pack.  Pssst&#8230; those people are selling stuff, too.  Why should anyone worth their salt give every Tom, Dick &amp; Harry a free ride by sharing their years of experience and case studies for nothing?</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want to participate&#8230; okay, then.  But railing on Rhea for participating in TEACHING is more than a little ridiculous.  Of course she&#8217;s getting paid!  She&#8217;s a skilled professional.  How many SEOs and marketing pros never share their knowledge for fear someone will take it and steal away their business?  You should be applauding her for having the courage and foresight to participate in these events, which open doors for those of us not living in NYC or Silicon Valley.</p>
<p>/rant</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: yankeerudy</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/seo-training-marketing-profs-university/#comment-27705</link>
		<dc:creator>yankeerudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://outspokenmedia.com/?p=11725#comment-27705</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I suspect we are hated because of the very fact that we aren&#039;t certified (or certifiable?) - anybody can unilaterally declare themselves an &quot;expert&quot; and run around selling that expertise. Some do it knowing they don&#039;t know SEO, and others do it thinking (mistakenly) that they know SEO.

(FYI I don&#039;t advocate certification by any means. The subject is too dynamic, and no authoritative body exists to administer a certification anyway. It seems this particular training is part training and part a statement that &quot;I&#039;m willing to invest in my expertise.&quot;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect we are hated because of the very fact that we aren&#8217;t certified (or certifiable?) &#8211; anybody can unilaterally declare themselves an &#8220;expert&#8221; and run around selling that expertise. Some do it knowing they don&#8217;t know SEO, and others do it thinking (mistakenly) that they know SEO.</p>
<p>(FYI I don&#8217;t advocate certification by any means. The subject is too dynamic, and no authoritative body exists to administer a certification anyway. It seems this particular training is part training and part a statement that &#8220;I&#8217;m willing to invest in my expertise.&#8221;)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rhea Drysdale</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/seo-training-marketing-profs-university/#comment-27699</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhea Drysdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://outspokenmedia.com/?p=11725#comment-27699</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re hated because as marketers we try to market ourselves? Really? There has to be a better response than that... I outright said the name of the course in the title, it wasn&#039;t a deceptive post. As for why the industry has a reputation problem, I suspect it has more to do with the fake promises, spam and general disregard for achieving a real return for clients. Worth thinking about though. Are all advertising, cold calling, SEO, email marketing, etc. professionals hated simply because they SELL something?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re hated because as marketers we try to market ourselves? Really? There has to be a better response than that&#8230; I outright said the name of the course in the title, it wasn&#8217;t a deceptive post. As for why the industry has a reputation problem, I suspect it has more to do with the fake promises, spam and general disregard for achieving a real return for clients. Worth thinking about though. Are all advertising, cold calling, SEO, email marketing, etc. professionals hated simply because they SELL something?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/seo-training-marketing-profs-university/#comment-27695</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://outspokenmedia.com/?p=11725#comment-27695</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I like how a post that states &quot;Internet marketing is among the most hated professions&quot; and  that we have a &quot;reputation problem&quot; -- and then perpetuates that belief by trying to get us to sign up for something at the end. Isn&#039;t that exactly why people hate us? ;)

Nothing wrong with the plug, it&#039;s just a funny contrast (to me anyway).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how a post that states &#8220;Internet marketing is among the most hated professions&#8221; and  that we have a &#8220;reputation problem&#8221; &#8212; and then perpetuates that belief by trying to get us to sign up for something at the end. Isn&#8217;t that exactly why people hate us? ;)</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with the plug, it&#8217;s just a funny contrast (to me anyway).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rhea Drysdale</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/seo-training-marketing-profs-university/#comment-27691</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhea Drysdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://outspokenmedia.com/?p=11725#comment-27691</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Hi Rosa, I agree that you don&#039;t *have* to have certification to be a great SEO. I&#039;ve worked with them and been one of them. That was my first point in the post -- education is a great foundation, but it&#039;s the hands-on experiences where we grow the most. What I was trying to convey and it sounds like I failed to do, is that without a structured environment, the industry&#039;s reputation often suffers from naysayers who discredit it as the wild west of marketing with no law or order. My point is that by educating those individuals and ourselves through whatever means is available, we can gain greater acceptance and trust in our methods. 

Regarding the comment about employers looking at certification -- I am one of those employers and I can tell you that if a potential job candidate came to us having invested in their education, I&#039;d be floored. We&#039;ve had those candidates before. They were students of Full Sail University&#039;s Bachelor of Science degree in Internet Marketing, they were Bruce Clay alums from his training program, they were individuals that had purchased the SEO Book from Aaron Wall and earmarked pages, they were candidates that had gotten Google Analytics certified or expressed their desire to, they were avid readers of our blog and many others. They were all actively seeking some form of education. That showed me their commitment to learning the space and some level of understanding and proficiency in it.

As for not spending $400 on the course -- the great thing is that you don&#039;t have to since it&#039;s optional and clearly not something you&#039;re interested in. I&#039;ve been in the industry for seven years and want to &quot;sit in&quot; on several of the classes because I know they&#039;ll be bringing something fresh. All of our employees will be taking the course as well, because even though they&#039;re qualified SEOs, there&#039;s always something new to learn or a way of thinking that will show us a new area to examine with a client.

Full transparency - yes we get commission for those who sign up (and are satisfied w/the course). This is no different than posting an affiliate code for a conference or a new tool we support (and we only post things we do believe in). Regardless, it is unlikely that we will see a return from this given the time it&#039;s taken me to put together my class, but I&#039;m not doing it for the money. I&#039;m doing it because I practice what I preach. SEOs need to keep learning and the industry needs greater trust and acceptance from other marketing channels, execs, clients and the greater population. I love this idea and really do wish that individuals who need to hone their skills will consider it or any other form of continued education.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rosa, I agree that you don&#8217;t *have* to have certification to be a great SEO. I&#8217;ve worked with them and been one of them. That was my first point in the post &#8212; education is a great foundation, but it&#8217;s the hands-on experiences where we grow the most. What I was trying to convey and it sounds like I failed to do, is that without a structured environment, the industry&#8217;s reputation often suffers from naysayers who discredit it as the wild west of marketing with no law or order. My point is that by educating those individuals and ourselves through whatever means is available, we can gain greater acceptance and trust in our methods. </p>
<p>Regarding the comment about employers looking at certification &#8212; I am one of those employers and I can tell you that if a potential job candidate came to us having invested in their education, I&#8217;d be floored. We&#8217;ve had those candidates before. They were students of Full Sail University&#8217;s Bachelor of Science degree in Internet Marketing, they were Bruce Clay alums from his training program, they were individuals that had purchased the SEO Book from Aaron Wall and earmarked pages, they were candidates that had gotten Google Analytics certified or expressed their desire to, they were avid readers of our blog and many others. They were all actively seeking some form of education. That showed me their commitment to learning the space and some level of understanding and proficiency in it.</p>
<p>As for not spending $400 on the course &#8212; the great thing is that you don&#8217;t have to since it&#8217;s optional and clearly not something you&#8217;re interested in. I&#8217;ve been in the industry for seven years and want to &#8220;sit in&#8221; on several of the classes because I know they&#8217;ll be bringing something fresh. All of our employees will be taking the course as well, because even though they&#8217;re qualified SEOs, there&#8217;s always something new to learn or a way of thinking that will show us a new area to examine with a client.</p>
<p>Full transparency &#8211; yes we get commission for those who sign up (and are satisfied w/the course). This is no different than posting an affiliate code for a conference or a new tool we support (and we only post things we do believe in). Regardless, it is unlikely that we will see a return from this given the time it&#8217;s taken me to put together my class, but I&#8217;m not doing it for the money. I&#8217;m doing it because I practice what I preach. SEOs need to keep learning and the industry needs greater trust and acceptance from other marketing channels, execs, clients and the greater population. I love this idea and really do wish that individuals who need to hone their skills will consider it or any other form of continued education.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rosa Lu</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/seo-training-marketing-profs-university/#comment-27689</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosa Lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://outspokenmedia.com/?p=11725#comment-27689</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[hmm you must be getting a commission from this... you can&#039;t learn this in &quot;school&quot; most online marketing professionals are pretty much self taught because it is ever changing. This certification they offer also means nothing, most employers don&#039;t require or ask if you&#039;re SEO or marketing certified. What is that?! Besides, we can get advice and tips from professionals without paying $400. That&#039;s what blogs and webinars are for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm you must be getting a commission from this&#8230; you can&#8217;t learn this in &#8220;school&#8221; most online marketing professionals are pretty much self taught because it is ever changing. This certification they offer also means nothing, most employers don&#8217;t require or ask if you&#8217;re SEO or marketing certified. What is that?! Besides, we can get advice and tips from professionals without paying $400. That&#8217;s what blogs and webinars are for.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
