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		<title>By: Andy Kuiper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Kuiper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with this &#039;outing&#039; of &quot;topSEO&quot; type lists. If I need to pay to be at the top of a list, it&#039;s a list I&#039;m not interested in being on :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this &#8216;outing&#8217; of &#8220;topSEO&#8221; type lists. If I need to pay to be at the top of a list, it&#8217;s a list I&#8217;m not interested in being on :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Schuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Schuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 06:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess I have lots of questions.  What tools do marketing departments or their trusted advisors use? Where do they get their data to base their advice on? Is it a paid service from an SEO tools company or is it self generated from free tools or even just intuition?  

What is the route to the customer for SEO tools and does it differ between countries?  It appears that in some countries the advertising agency provides the SEO advice whereas in others it is independent SEO agencies.    Does this channel differ by size of customer?  eg do enterprises buy direct but small companies go through an agency?  In other words, if you&#039;re an SEO tools SaaS provider, how do you get yourself heard by the buyer and ensure your service is sold and repeatedly used?

I&#039;d be grateful if someone could clarify or point me to reliable market research.  As has been pointed out there is a deadly loop in searching for information on firms that specialise in optimising that search :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I have lots of questions.  What tools do marketing departments or their trusted advisors use? Where do they get their data to base their advice on? Is it a paid service from an SEO tools company or is it self generated from free tools or even just intuition?  </p>
<p>What is the route to the customer for SEO tools and does it differ between countries?  It appears that in some countries the advertising agency provides the SEO advice whereas in others it is independent SEO agencies.    Does this channel differ by size of customer?  eg do enterprises buy direct but small companies go through an agency?  In other words, if you&#8217;re an SEO tools SaaS provider, how do you get yourself heard by the buyer and ensure your service is sold and repeatedly used?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be grateful if someone could clarify or point me to reliable market research.  As has been pointed out there is a deadly loop in searching for information on firms that specialise in optimising that search :)</p>
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		<title>By: Akash Kumar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akash Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post Rhea. Its really important that people are educated about the SEO companies who claim to be the top SEO companies. Most of these lists are paid lists and people can pay to be listed among the top SEO companies as they say.

And its not very surprising that these are the companies who are involved in grey hat techniques. Many of the companies from these top SEO company lists have used grey hat techniques themselves. Check their backlinks and you&#039;ll know. 

I am not talking about a list or a site in particular but many of you SEOs must be aware of these kind of sites. These are the sites that are themselves involved in buying links for them and their clients. Many of these sites even have these footer links from all the clients they have handled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Rhea. Its really important that people are educated about the SEO companies who claim to be the top SEO companies. Most of these lists are paid lists and people can pay to be listed among the top SEO companies as they say.</p>
<p>And its not very surprising that these are the companies who are involved in grey hat techniques. Many of the companies from these top SEO company lists have used grey hat techniques themselves. Check their backlinks and you&#8217;ll know. </p>
<p>I am not talking about a list or a site in particular but many of you SEOs must be aware of these kind of sites. These are the sites that are themselves involved in buying links for them and their clients. Many of these sites even have these footer links from all the clients they have handled.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/how-to-choose-a-seo-company-ignore-top-seo-lists/#comment-86427</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve noticed that the ranking on Top seo&#039;s changes perhaps as frequently as Google changes its algorithms. I think it&#039;s more important having a strong portfolio of clients ranked rather than ranking yourself. There are many awesome freelance seo&#039;s who don&#039;t even have their own sites.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that the ranking on Top seo&#8217;s changes perhaps as frequently as Google changes its algorithms. I think it&#8217;s more important having a strong portfolio of clients ranked rather than ranking yourself. There are many awesome freelance seo&#8217;s who don&#8217;t even have their own sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Elyse Bernstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elyse Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 18:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always cringe when potential clients say they found us on Top SEOS or ask how we compare to the companies listed at the top of their site.  However, I am typically honest saying that I don&#039;t know much about the other sites, since they are usually names I have not heard of and are always changing.

It is a double edge sword though because at times potential clients initially feel we are not a great company to work with since we are not ranked within the top 10 and they are often weary when I explain that Top SEOS is not all its cracked out to be.  The idea that SEO companies could pay for top listings, which we never do, seems &quot;too pure&quot;.  

But as someone else said, its is just like 1-800-DENTIST or any other directory.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always cringe when potential clients say they found us on Top SEOS or ask how we compare to the companies listed at the top of their site.  However, I am typically honest saying that I don&#8217;t know much about the other sites, since they are usually names I have not heard of and are always changing.</p>
<p>It is a double edge sword though because at times potential clients initially feel we are not a great company to work with since we are not ranked within the top 10 and they are often weary when I explain that Top SEOS is not all its cracked out to be.  The idea that SEO companies could pay for top listings, which we never do, seems &#8220;too pure&#8221;.  </p>
<p>But as someone else said, its is just like 1-800-DENTIST or any other directory.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 21:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know quite a few companies that use SEO.COM.  They all said that SEO.COM met their goals for rankings as well as ROI.   But this is only for national seo, they do not do much local optimization.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know quite a few companies that use SEO.COM.  They all said that SEO.COM met their goals for rankings as well as ROI.   But this is only for national seo, they do not do much local optimization.</p>
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		<title>By: Lannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 13:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hahaha I love the image you&#039;ve added to this post, it depicts this stupid SEO list perfectly!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha I love the image you&#8217;ve added to this post, it depicts this stupid SEO list perfectly!!</p>
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		<title>By: Chloe B</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/how-to-choose-a-seo-company-ignore-top-seo-lists/#comment-59830</link>
		<dc:creator>Chloe B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely a quality SEO company doesn&#039;t need to have SEO in it&#039;s company name?! It&#039;s more to do with brand and reputation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely a quality SEO company doesn&#8217;t need to have SEO in it&#8217;s company name?! It&#8217;s more to do with brand and reputation.</p>
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		<title>By: john andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>john andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally agree with the &quot;top&quot; lists which are pure marketing, but I think your suggestions are too one-sided. Many clients do not know enough about what they need to evaluate firms for themselves. I don&#039;t think they should evaluate firms by themselves, either. 

Instead, hire a consultant.

That&#039;s right.. hire an SEO consultant who is too good, too busy, and too expensive to take your seo work, but able to help find you an SEO firm.

With 1 or two hours of effort, a good SEO consultant can recommend a few firms or consultants who would be good fits for a project. For that you pay a few hours of a high hourly rate, but you establish a relationship. 

I am more likely to make myself available for a call like the following, than a typical &quot;we are looking for an SEO&quot; call:

&quot;Hey John Andrews. We need an seo firm, but don&#039;t know which ones would be a good fit for us. We&#039;ve budgeted a discovery phase, and we&#039;d like to hire you to help us document our needs in a way that is actionable for the search for an SEO company, and to help us narrow down the choices.  We need to choose a firm by ________ with an expected budget of ________ over ______ months for our site ___________. Can you help?&quot;

The process I suggest filters out some of the &quot;problem clients&quot;:
* those who seek free advice, by hook or by crook
* those who don&#039;t budget enough for successful SEO (with any firm)
* those who don&#039;t budget at all (lack of planning)
* those who won&#039;t pay anyone a decent rate, on principle
* those who just want a disconnected service provider (SEO doesn&#039;t work that way) 

I think serious businesses of all sizes would do better following this method than any search-based due diligence (since marketers by nature are excellent at &quot;marketing&quot; themselves even if terrible at SEO). I also know it&#039;s better than &quot;recommended&quot; lists which are usually driven by industry politics and traded referrals, not merit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with the &#8220;top&#8221; lists which are pure marketing, but I think your suggestions are too one-sided. Many clients do not know enough about what they need to evaluate firms for themselves. I don&#8217;t think they should evaluate firms by themselves, either. </p>
<p>Instead, hire a consultant.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right.. hire an SEO consultant who is too good, too busy, and too expensive to take your seo work, but able to help find you an SEO firm.</p>
<p>With 1 or two hours of effort, a good SEO consultant can recommend a few firms or consultants who would be good fits for a project. For that you pay a few hours of a high hourly rate, but you establish a relationship. </p>
<p>I am more likely to make myself available for a call like the following, than a typical &#8220;we are looking for an SEO&#8221; call:</p>
<p>&#8220;Hey John Andrews. We need an seo firm, but don&#8217;t know which ones would be a good fit for us. We&#8217;ve budgeted a discovery phase, and we&#8217;d like to hire you to help us document our needs in a way that is actionable for the search for an SEO company, and to help us narrow down the choices.  We need to choose a firm by ________ with an expected budget of ________ over ______ months for our site ___________. Can you help?&#8221;</p>
<p>The process I suggest filters out some of the &#8220;problem clients&#8221;:<br />
* those who seek free advice, by hook or by crook<br />
* those who don&#8217;t budget enough for successful SEO (with any firm)<br />
* those who don&#8217;t budget at all (lack of planning)<br />
* those who won&#8217;t pay anyone a decent rate, on principle<br />
* those who just want a disconnected service provider (SEO doesn&#8217;t work that way) </p>
<p>I think serious businesses of all sizes would do better following this method than any search-based due diligence (since marketers by nature are excellent at &#8220;marketing&#8221; themselves even if terrible at SEO). I also know it&#8217;s better than &#8220;recommended&#8221; lists which are usually driven by industry politics and traded referrals, not merit.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Ker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Ker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 00:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is tough to get some clients to understand.  Many really don&#039;t care how they get to the top of the results, they just know they want to be there. What I try to explain is that it is more than just the keyword position. Things like click-through, brand recognition and reputation are also important. Pointing out the same-ness of the &quot;cityname seo&quot; results can help too. Ask if they are more likely to take seriously on one of the identical &quot;CityName SEO Company &#124; SEO CityName&quot; results, or the one with a recognizable brand.  Most people do understand that they want to stand out at least a little bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is tough to get some clients to understand.  Many really don&#8217;t care how they get to the top of the results, they just know they want to be there. What I try to explain is that it is more than just the keyword position. Things like click-through, brand recognition and reputation are also important. Pointing out the same-ness of the &#8220;cityname seo&#8221; results can help too. Ask if they are more likely to take seriously on one of the identical &#8220;CityName SEO Company | SEO CityName&#8221; results, or the one with a recognizable brand.  Most people do understand that they want to stand out at least a little bit.</p>
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