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	<title>Comments on: 2003 Called; They&#8217;d like their URL structure back</title>
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		<title>By: Nick Stamoulis</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/2003-called-theyd-like-their-url-structure-back/#comment-5647</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Stamoulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the end of the day PR numbers don&#039;t really matter. It might be a way to gauge but overall it really doesn&#039;t make a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the end of the day PR numbers don&#8217;t really matter. It might be a way to gauge but overall it really doesn&#8217;t make a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/2003-called-theyd-like-their-url-structure-back/#comment-5593</link>
		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You ever just updated the entire site&#039;s url structure all at once instead of in smaller chunks?  If so, did you see any penalty?

I&#039;ve only done an entire site all in one go one time, and it was on a decent sized site.  Took a few weeks for everything to switch over in the index, but I didn&#039;t see any negative consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You ever just updated the entire site&#8217;s url structure all at once instead of in smaller chunks?  If so, did you see any penalty?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only done an entire site all in one go one time, and it was on a decent sized site.  Took a few weeks for everything to switch over in the index, but I didn&#8217;t see any negative consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Leevi Kokko</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/2003-called-theyd-like-their-url-structure-back/#comment-5457</link>
		<dc:creator>Leevi Kokko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great article! Here&#039;s a related page that always brings a smile on my face:

http://www.seoconsultants.com/s/e/o/c/o/n/s/u/l/t/a/n/t/s/d/i/r/e/c/t/o/r/y/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great article! Here&#8217;s a related page that always brings a smile on my face:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.seoconsultants.com/s/e/o/c/o/n/s/u/l/t/a/n/t/s/d/i/r/e/c/t/o/r/y/" rel="nofollow">http://www.seoconsultants.com/s/e/o/c/o/n/s/u/l/t/a/n/t/s/d/i/r/e/c/t/o/r/y/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Miguelito</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/2003-called-theyd-like-their-url-structure-back/#comment-5324</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguelito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, and I haven&#039;t run into any site structures like that in a while. But I am sure that they are still around! 

Jill had a great point regarding the internal linking structure in relation to page rank and what not. Totally true. 

People often mistake a &quot;flat architecture&quot; with having ZERO directories. Maybe you should elaborate on that concept for everyone out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, and I haven&#8217;t run into any site structures like that in a while. But I am sure that they are still around! </p>
<p>Jill had a great point regarding the internal linking structure in relation to page rank and what not. Totally true. </p>
<p>People often mistake a &#8220;flat architecture&#8221; with having ZERO directories. Maybe you should elaborate on that concept for everyone out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Social Media Commando</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/2003-called-theyd-like-their-url-structure-back/#comment-5316</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Media Commando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deploying clean SEO is a beautiful thing.

While reading this article I was struck with the thought that SEOs and their clients could use a dose of copywriting courses to understand how to base their URL structure.

(Clean, crisp, and attention grabbing = Good ... Keyword-Stuff Mumbo Jumbo = Bad)

Hope Ireland was a blast...sorry you had to refuse a beer for the first time in your life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deploying clean SEO is a beautiful thing.</p>
<p>While reading this article I was struck with the thought that SEOs and their clients could use a dose of copywriting courses to understand how to base their URL structure.</p>
<p>(Clean, crisp, and attention grabbing = Good &#8230; Keyword-Stuff Mumbo Jumbo = Bad)</p>
<p>Hope Ireland was a blast&#8230;sorry you had to refuse a beer for the first time in your life!</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Whalen</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/2003-called-theyd-like-their-url-structure-back/#comment-5312</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill Whalen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO, the problem was that people mistakenly thought it was the URL and the lack of directories that gave them the PR the way they saw it. When in reality it has nothing to do with that and everything to do with how each page of the site was linked to each other.

You can have a URL that appears to be 10 directories deep, but if it&#039;s linked in the main nav. to and from every other page of the site, it will likely have the same PR as one in the root linked the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, the problem was that people mistakenly thought it was the URL and the lack of directories that gave them the PR the way they saw it. When in reality it has nothing to do with that and everything to do with how each page of the site was linked to each other.</p>
<p>You can have a URL that appears to be 10 directories deep, but if it&#8217;s linked in the main nav. to and from every other page of the site, it will likely have the same PR as one in the root linked the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Stoops</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/2003-called-theyd-like-their-url-structure-back/#comment-5308</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Stoops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. A blast from the past! It&#039;s kind of funny to see the different tactics that SEO&#039;s tried back in the day. Seems like they would do anything to get ahead quickly, when it was really about taking a holistic &amp; user-friendly approach all along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. A blast from the past! It&#8217;s kind of funny to see the different tactics that SEO&#8217;s tried back in the day. Seems like they would do anything to get ahead quickly, when it was really about taking a holistic &amp; user-friendly approach all along.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Staines</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/2003-called-theyd-like-their-url-structure-back/#comment-5301</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Staines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rae,

Looks like Ireland was a blast, I&#039;ve wanted to get over there for years. We&#039;re seeing this with many client sites as well, but I&#039;m not willing to give the developers as much credit as you with regard to trying to maximize Toolbar PR. I&#039;ve had the pleasure of working with some devs recently who just don&#039;t have a clue what URL structure is. They&#039;re not trying to take advantage of a PR glitch, they&#039;re just trying to do as little work as possible in the process of reselling some POS template site that they sell to unsuspecting clients.

Anyway, the same issue is the result. With hundreds and hundreds of files in the root we face the daunting task of adding structure if we want to stay sane, yet we are concerned with value evaporation with the implementation of 301s. 

This might seem like a silly set of questions, but I&#039;ll ask anyway. To try and avoid that evaporation (rankings loss), would you consider creating a duplicate content issue with the implementation of a solid URL structure while leaving the original page in place and then inserting a canonical tag on the original page page to solve the dupe issue? 

Do you have a feel for whether the canonical tag evaporates more, less, equivalent juice than a 301?

Obviously, this would only be useful if the canonical method had less negative affect on rankings for a page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rae,</p>
<p>Looks like Ireland was a blast, I&#8217;ve wanted to get over there for years. We&#8217;re seeing this with many client sites as well, but I&#8217;m not willing to give the developers as much credit as you with regard to trying to maximize Toolbar PR. I&#8217;ve had the pleasure of working with some devs recently who just don&#8217;t have a clue what URL structure is. They&#8217;re not trying to take advantage of a PR glitch, they&#8217;re just trying to do as little work as possible in the process of reselling some POS template site that they sell to unsuspecting clients.</p>
<p>Anyway, the same issue is the result. With hundreds and hundreds of files in the root we face the daunting task of adding structure if we want to stay sane, yet we are concerned with value evaporation with the implementation of 301s. </p>
<p>This might seem like a silly set of questions, but I&#8217;ll ask anyway. To try and avoid that evaporation (rankings loss), would you consider creating a duplicate content issue with the implementation of a solid URL structure while leaving the original page in place and then inserting a canonical tag on the original page page to solve the dupe issue? </p>
<p>Do you have a feel for whether the canonical tag evaporates more, less, equivalent juice than a 301?</p>
<p>Obviously, this would only be useful if the canonical method had less negative affect on rankings for a page.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Pete</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/2003-called-theyd-like-their-url-structure-back/#comment-5300</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I envy you for having clients who have made it to 2003 ;)

I&#039;ve been doing a lot more small-business consulting in the past couple of years, and I&#039;m amazed how much overoptimizing I see. People hear one SEO tip (usually outdated and with no context) and blow it completely out of proportion, basing their entire site around it. Subtlety is completely lost on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I envy you for having clients who have made it to 2003 ;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been doing a lot more small-business consulting in the past couple of years, and I&#8217;m amazed how much overoptimizing I see. People hear one SEO tip (usually outdated and with no context) and blow it completely out of proportion, basing their entire site around it. Subtlety is completely lost on them.</p>
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		<title>By: chance hoggan</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/2003-called-theyd-like-their-url-structure-back/#comment-5299</link>
		<dc:creator>chance hoggan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool... the related word search can be a big help in determining logical paths i.e folder/page names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool&#8230; the related word search can be a big help in determining logical paths i.e folder/page names.</p>
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