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		<title>By: Maria Marsala</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/internet-marketing-conferences/twitter-social-media-tool/#comment-945</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Marsala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing more refreshing than reading something written by a New Yorker.   Give me honesty and bluntness any day of the week!

Doesn&#039;t matter if I agree or not, it&#039;s good to see more than 1 side to every story. 

HIP HIP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing more refreshing than reading something written by a New Yorker.   Give me honesty and bluntness any day of the week!</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t matter if I agree or not, it&#8217;s good to see more than 1 side to every story. </p>
<p>HIP HIP!</p>
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		<title>By: AussieWebmaster</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/internet-marketing-conferences/twitter-social-media-tool/#comment-943</link>
		<dc:creator>AussieWebmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa you should have just covered my 10 minute spiel on Twitter - no self-promo just potential if we get beyond the ego stroking narcissism. Any time you need a place to stay in NY to blog a conference or seminar you know my place is yours... keep up the voice of anti-BS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa you should have just covered my 10 minute spiel on Twitter &#8211; no self-promo just potential if we get beyond the ego stroking narcissism. Any time you need a place to stay in NY to blog a conference or seminar you know my place is yours&#8230; keep up the voice of anti-BS</p>
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		<title>By: Gab Goldenberg</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/internet-marketing-conferences/twitter-social-media-tool/#comment-935</link>
		<dc:creator>Gab Goldenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps we&#039;re miscommunicating then. &quot;What got to me in this session was his total lack of respect for those that *do* choose to follow him. To hear him mock Twitter, make fun of people’s reactions to it, and then talk about his followers as if they’re dogs or trained monkey’s, that’s when I began to get upset.&quot;

WHen I read your post, it wasn&#039;t clear what in particular he said of that nature. It felt like that was just your interpretation bc he says it&#039;s a tool. What did he say, precisely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps we&#8217;re miscommunicating then. &#8220;What got to me in this session was his total lack of respect for those that *do* choose to follow him. To hear him mock Twitter, make fun of people’s reactions to it, and then talk about his followers as if they’re dogs or trained monkey’s, that’s when I began to get upset.&#8221;</p>
<p>WHen I read your post, it wasn&#8217;t clear what in particular he said of that nature. It felt like that was just your interpretation bc he says it&#8217;s a tool. What did he say, precisely?</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Barone</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/internet-marketing-conferences/twitter-social-media-tool/#comment-930</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Barone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;m just getting caught up so I&#039;m going to do my best to respond accordingly to everyone. ;)  Have mercy on me. It&#039;s been a long week!

Griffin: I feel your pain. Guy Kawasaki is this year&#039;s Jason Calacanis. We&#039;re going to see him whored out until every just starts to roll their eyes and move on.  Hopefully that&#039;ll be sooner rather than later.

Terry: Misleading how?

Gab:  I don&#039;t judge Guy for how he uses it. I think he uses it poorly, but that&#039;s his choice to do so. I don&#039;t follow him and therefore don&#039;t have to deal with it. 

What got to me in this session was his total lack of respect for those that *do* choose to follow him.  To hear him mock Twitter, make fun of people&#039;s reactions to it, and then talk about his followers as if they&#039;re dogs or trained monkey&#039;s, that&#039;s when I began to get upset. He&#039;s given two keynotes on Twitter is 2-3 weeks. You&#039;d think he&#039;d have some respect for the people he&#039;s talking about.

I&#039;m in the world of community building. That&#039;s what I do, through the blog, through Twitter, through other social media avenues. People are important to me. The people who read this blog and who are kind enough to engage with me, they matter to me. I value them. When I hear about other people basically kicking those that have invested in them...that really bothers me. Perhaps I&#039;m oversensitive. I&#039;d rather be oversensitive than feel nothing.

As for him having people tweet for him...sure, if it was a company, I&#039;d have no problem with that. Because we expect that from companies. But when you&#039;re a *personal* brand, people expect to get *you*. They want to know what Guy finds interesting, what he&#039;s talking about, etc. If I suddenly hired people to start tweeting as @lisabarone, I have a feeling people would find that deceptive and call me out on it. Because it is.

Dave Matson: Appreciate that. People don&#039;t realize that these posts are written in the moment and then published with 10 minutes of the keynote/session ended. Things are still fresh. They&#039;re heated. They&#039;re fast. Would the post have been more *perfect* and maybe calmer had I had more time to edit and review and change things? Of course. But it&#039;s liveblogging. That&#039;s not the nature.  Thanks again for the comment.

Alan Bleiweiss: You&#039;re awesome. That&#039;s really all I have to say about that. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;m just getting caught up so I&#8217;m going to do my best to respond accordingly to everyone. ;)  Have mercy on me. It&#8217;s been a long week!</p>
<p>Griffin: I feel your pain. Guy Kawasaki is this year&#8217;s Jason Calacanis. We&#8217;re going to see him whored out until every just starts to roll their eyes and move on.  Hopefully that&#8217;ll be sooner rather than later.</p>
<p>Terry: Misleading how?</p>
<p>Gab:  I don&#8217;t judge Guy for how he uses it. I think he uses it poorly, but that&#8217;s his choice to do so. I don&#8217;t follow him and therefore don&#8217;t have to deal with it. </p>
<p>What got to me in this session was his total lack of respect for those that *do* choose to follow him.  To hear him mock Twitter, make fun of people&#8217;s reactions to it, and then talk about his followers as if they&#8217;re dogs or trained monkey&#8217;s, that&#8217;s when I began to get upset. He&#8217;s given two keynotes on Twitter is 2-3 weeks. You&#8217;d think he&#8217;d have some respect for the people he&#8217;s talking about.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in the world of community building. That&#8217;s what I do, through the blog, through Twitter, through other social media avenues. People are important to me. The people who read this blog and who are kind enough to engage with me, they matter to me. I value them. When I hear about other people basically kicking those that have invested in them&#8230;that really bothers me. Perhaps I&#8217;m oversensitive. I&#8217;d rather be oversensitive than feel nothing.</p>
<p>As for him having people tweet for him&#8230;sure, if it was a company, I&#8217;d have no problem with that. Because we expect that from companies. But when you&#8217;re a *personal* brand, people expect to get *you*. They want to know what Guy finds interesting, what he&#8217;s talking about, etc. If I suddenly hired people to start tweeting as @lisabarone, I have a feeling people would find that deceptive and call me out on it. Because it is.</p>
<p>Dave Matson: Appreciate that. People don&#8217;t realize that these posts are written in the moment and then published with 10 minutes of the keynote/session ended. Things are still fresh. They&#8217;re heated. They&#8217;re fast. Would the post have been more *perfect* and maybe calmer had I had more time to edit and review and change things? Of course. But it&#8217;s liveblogging. That&#8217;s not the nature.  Thanks again for the comment.</p>
<p>Alan Bleiweiss: You&#8217;re awesome. That&#8217;s really all I have to say about that. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Augusto Ellacuriaga</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/internet-marketing-conferences/twitter-social-media-tool/#comment-920</link>
		<dc:creator>Augusto Ellacuriaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to point out what Guy said in this video http://bit.ly/1a4kgU at around 15:34:
&lt;cite&gt;&quot;For me, I consider spam if someone else does it to me, but if I do it, it&#039;s good marketing&quot;&lt;/cite&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to point out what Guy said in this video <a href="http://bit.ly/1a4kgU" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1a4kgU</a> at around 15:34:<br />
<cite>&#8220;For me, I consider spam if someone else does it to me, but if I do it, it&#8217;s good marketing&#8221;</cite></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Lander</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/internet-marketing-conferences/twitter-social-media-tool/#comment-917</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Lander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully this post gets some more attention now that SESNY has wrapped up and everyone&#039;s here reading the coverage. If not, my apologies on the late comment.

Guy Kawasaki&#039;s mentioning of Tynt at the SES keynote, from what I have read, was restricted to the benefits behind the Tynt Tracer tool. Tracer seems useful for some aspects of SEO.

The irony here though is that Tynt was the one stealing content in the past.

In September Tynt broke onto the scene allowing users to mark up anyone else&#039;s content with visuals, cartoons, sticky notes, etc. I posted *their* &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ericlander.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/whatistynt.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;example of Tynt&#039;s use here&lt;/a&gt;.

Search marketers were infuriated because in order to do this Tynt had to republish your content on their own domain of tynted.net just to make it all work.

Making matters even worse, Tynt&#039;s system used a combination of tools to steal your content which made blocking them from doing so next to impossible. Combinations of .htaccess files, IP detection and user agent sniffing did nothing to prevent your content from being copied and Tynt&#039;s website offered no opt-out whatsoever.

With the help and research of industry peers I published my first post on Tynt called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ericlander.com/324.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tynt: Stealing Site Owner’s Content &amp; Refuses to be Blocked? (See Also Tynted.net)&lt;/a&gt;.

It quickly gathered comments, Sphinns and even yielded a phone call between Tynt&#039;s CEO Derek Ball and Scott Polk, a Senior Optimization Strategist for Bruce Clay, Inc. The resulting attention from the post and conversation prompted Tynt to respond publicly on their own blog when Derek Ball posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://tynt.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/tynt-responds-to-seo-community/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tynt Responds to SEO Community&lt;/a&gt;. There were a number of inaccurate statements or assumptions in Derek&#039;s post.

I then posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ericlander.com/347.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tynt’s CEO Derek Ball Responds to SEO Community Concerns&lt;/a&gt; which covered my thoughts of Tynt&#039;s response along with commentary from Graywolf, incrediBill and others. One of the most alarming elements to this story came from your own Rae Hoffman who noted that non-content files like XML sitemaps, robots.txt files and others were all available for Tynt users to modify and mark up.

Throughout this entire situation Guy Kawasaki&#039;s name was involved.Many people twittered replies to him about Tynt, asked him to become involved via email, and we all asked Derek Ball about his involvement.

We had zero response from Guy.

Now, I could be way off here... Considering this army of Twitter account holders Guy employs who are just waiting to pounce on any opportunity to promote, reinforce or applaud his brand publicly - where was the response?

There was a clear opportunity to work with a dozen or more people who knew precisely how Tynt could make good on their intentions. It was even more disastrous considering the search marketing industry, armed with some of the most influential online marketers, would have continued to applaud Tynt&#039;s efforts if they took the high road.

Instead, they go back - scrap their entire program and rebuild a tool that completely goes against their original model.. and Guy then has the audacity to promote Tynt?

The icing though was Guy telling his 94,000+ followers yesterday that I&#039;m &quot;so misinformed&quot;. Isn&#039;t that exactly what he has been regarding Tynt&#039;s value to the SEO community?

Good thing he&#039;s not on their &lt;a href=&quot;http://tracer.tynt.com/about-tynt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;advisory board&lt;/a&gt; or anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully this post gets some more attention now that SESNY has wrapped up and everyone&#8217;s here reading the coverage. If not, my apologies on the late comment.</p>
<p>Guy Kawasaki&#8217;s mentioning of Tynt at the SES keynote, from what I have read, was restricted to the benefits behind the Tynt Tracer tool. Tracer seems useful for some aspects of SEO.</p>
<p>The irony here though is that Tynt was the one stealing content in the past.</p>
<p>In September Tynt broke onto the scene allowing users to mark up anyone else&#8217;s content with visuals, cartoons, sticky notes, etc. I posted *their* <a href="http://www.ericlander.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/whatistynt.jpg" rel="nofollow">example of Tynt&#8217;s use here</a>.</p>
<p>Search marketers were infuriated because in order to do this Tynt had to republish your content on their own domain of tynted.net just to make it all work.</p>
<p>Making matters even worse, Tynt&#8217;s system used a combination of tools to steal your content which made blocking them from doing so next to impossible. Combinations of .htaccess files, IP detection and user agent sniffing did nothing to prevent your content from being copied and Tynt&#8217;s website offered no opt-out whatsoever.</p>
<p>With the help and research of industry peers I published my first post on Tynt called <a href="http://www.ericlander.com/324.html" rel="nofollow">Tynt: Stealing Site Owner’s Content &amp; Refuses to be Blocked? (See Also Tynted.net)</a>.</p>
<p>It quickly gathered comments, Sphinns and even yielded a phone call between Tynt&#8217;s CEO Derek Ball and Scott Polk, a Senior Optimization Strategist for Bruce Clay, Inc. The resulting attention from the post and conversation prompted Tynt to respond publicly on their own blog when Derek Ball posted <a href="http://tynt.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/tynt-responds-to-seo-community/" rel="nofollow">Tynt Responds to SEO Community</a>. There were a number of inaccurate statements or assumptions in Derek&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>I then posted <a href="http://www.ericlander.com/347.html" rel="nofollow">Tynt’s CEO Derek Ball Responds to SEO Community Concerns</a> which covered my thoughts of Tynt&#8217;s response along with commentary from Graywolf, incrediBill and others. One of the most alarming elements to this story came from your own Rae Hoffman who noted that non-content files like XML sitemaps, robots.txt files and others were all available for Tynt users to modify and mark up.</p>
<p>Throughout this entire situation Guy Kawasaki&#8217;s name was involved.Many people twittered replies to him about Tynt, asked him to become involved via email, and we all asked Derek Ball about his involvement.</p>
<p>We had zero response from Guy.</p>
<p>Now, I could be way off here&#8230; Considering this army of Twitter account holders Guy employs who are just waiting to pounce on any opportunity to promote, reinforce or applaud his brand publicly &#8211; where was the response?</p>
<p>There was a clear opportunity to work with a dozen or more people who knew precisely how Tynt could make good on their intentions. It was even more disastrous considering the search marketing industry, armed with some of the most influential online marketers, would have continued to applaud Tynt&#8217;s efforts if they took the high road.</p>
<p>Instead, they go back &#8211; scrap their entire program and rebuild a tool that completely goes against their original model.. and Guy then has the audacity to promote Tynt?</p>
<p>The icing though was Guy telling his 94,000+ followers yesterday that I&#8217;m &#8220;so misinformed&#8221;. Isn&#8217;t that exactly what he has been regarding Tynt&#8217;s value to the SEO community?</p>
<p>Good thing he&#8217;s not on their <a href="http://tracer.tynt.com/about-tynt" rel="nofollow">advisory board</a> or anything.</p>
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		<title>By: FionnD</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/internet-marketing-conferences/twitter-social-media-tool/#comment-914</link>
		<dc:creator>FionnD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got back in the office from SES and this is the first time I have had a chance to read the reviews.  Lisa is so right (very colorfully put) this guy (pardon the pun) is completely off base.  I do not think the subject of how Guy Kawasaki spams Twitter should be a keynote at SES.  How are we ever going to be taken seriously as an industry when we devote a whole hour to a spammer or a Twammer as I like to call him.  I sat in that session and cringed.  I fel like I had gone back 6 years to disucssions on how to turn Google into garbage with Black Hat SEO now its Twitter.  Twitter needs to  exercise some controls of die off as pure Spam.  I can see why Guy is a draw to entreprenurs because they want to make money like he did so have him as  Keynote but choose a different topic.

Guy says UFM him if you dont like it.  Done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got back in the office from SES and this is the first time I have had a chance to read the reviews.  Lisa is so right (very colorfully put) this guy (pardon the pun) is completely off base.  I do not think the subject of how Guy Kawasaki spams Twitter should be a keynote at SES.  How are we ever going to be taken seriously as an industry when we devote a whole hour to a spammer or a Twammer as I like to call him.  I sat in that session and cringed.  I fel like I had gone back 6 years to disucssions on how to turn Google into garbage with Black Hat SEO now its Twitter.  Twitter needs to  exercise some controls of die off as pure Spam.  I can see why Guy is a draw to entreprenurs because they want to make money like he did so have him as  Keynote but choose a different topic.</p>
<p>Guy says UFM him if you dont like it.  Done!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Allen</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/internet-marketing-conferences/twitter-social-media-tool/#comment-908</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved this post.</p>
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		<title>By: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/internet-marketing-conferences/twitter-social-media-tool/#comment-906</link>
		<dc:creator>john andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hannah said 

&quot;I’ve heard several comments that you’re really overstepping the line of being brave&quot; 

Social media fail. If it&#039;s YOUR opinion, say it. If it&#039;s hearsay, keep it to yourself. If you have no opinion, or lack the courage to express yourself, get out of the media until you either find your courage or find someone to do it for you. or, just be a follower of celebrity talking heads... they love your kind.

Great job Lisa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hannah said </p>
<p>&#8220;I’ve heard several comments that you’re really overstepping the line of being brave&#8221; </p>
<p>Social media fail. If it&#8217;s YOUR opinion, say it. If it&#8217;s hearsay, keep it to yourself. If you have no opinion, or lack the courage to express yourself, get out of the media until you either find your courage or find someone to do it for you. or, just be a follower of celebrity talking heads&#8230; they love your kind.</p>
<p>Great job Lisa.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Barone</title>
		<link>http://outspokenmedia.com/internet-marketing-conferences/twitter-social-media-tool/#comment-903</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Barone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gab: Give me til tomorrow to respond to all the awesome comments here. With the liveblogging running around, I haven&#039;t been able to spend as much time commenting here as I want (and should).  Tomorrow things go back to normal and I&#039;ll respond to peeps. I promise. Thanks for commenting, BTW. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gab: Give me til tomorrow to respond to all the awesome comments here. With the liveblogging running around, I haven&#8217;t been able to spend as much time commenting here as I want (and should).  Tomorrow things go back to normal and I&#8217;ll respond to peeps. I promise. Thanks for commenting, BTW. :)</p>
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